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  Q. abuse on usefilm
           Asked by John Bolloten   Donor  (K=953) on 5/26/2009
I am new to DSLR photography (just 6 months) and fairly new to UF. I like it here, I have donated to the site, and I have found many people who inspire me with their work. Plus its great to get feedback (including constructive criticism) from other people.

I know there has been some history here with some members as there is a big post entitled "UF activities) on this forum. I have never had any problem from any member on here personally or from the person who posted that thread (in fact he regularly posts comments on my pics and I appreciate that a lot).

I am not interested at all in any personal politics between any members here or anything else. However, when I see comments such as "fak u and ur mother, u sun of derty women, me saad und chlesea will fak u pasterd " or any other of the disgusting things like that (made by Reem Al Hendi), I believe that this should not be allowed to happen here (and not because of the bad English!).

I wouldn't like to receive such abuse and I am no-one else would want to either. So what is the view of the moderators? Do they care about what I or anyone else feels or that this behaviour is acceptable?

This post is my own only, no-one has asked me to write it, and as I said I am not interested in any petty politics or anything of that nature here. I just want to come here, enjoy other people's work and hopefully get some responses to my own novice-like pictures.

John Bolloten


    


Chelsea Burke  Donor  (K=5679) - Comment Date 5/26/2009
I can only speak from my own viewpoint as a moderator. There were several moderators on the site, it was understood that we look at the site when we can, so by having several people chances are that someone is monitoring what's being posted at some point. All of us have busy lives and can't be here 24/7 as some are demanding. We are also VOLUNTEERS, not being paid. I am doing what I can on my slow dialup connection, and am deleting nasty comments whenever I see them, as well as some of the misconceptions and untruths being told. We also have limited editing powers. I only know who a few of the other moderators were, most of them choose to remain anonymous because of the nasty untrue accusations made about us. In a perfect world people would act like adults and not indulge in some of the childishness we've seen here lately, but unfortunately, it goes on, and it is this that has led to a lot of "moderator burnout" and many moderators just leaving the site. You won't hear from most of them, JT and I were "outed" a long time ago, so we have become targets for unhappy people. Most of the time things are friendly and civilized in here, but once in a while the gangs act up and the silliness snowballs. Best thing for most people to do is just ignore the nonsense and not give the culprits an audience.

Certain times of the year it is just coincidence that moderators all have other things to deal with, so some inappropriate postings go un-edited. I do hope that you continue to enjoy the site and ignore the negatives, there are hundreds of nice people on here who will give constructive feedback, and many whose photography inspires all of us.




John Bolloten  Donor  (K=953) - Comment Date 5/26/2009
Thanks for your reply Chelsea, I know how difficult moderating can be as I have done that in the past. So you don't need to justify yourself. I enjoy the site very much and will continue to use it. I am just unhappy with some of these horrible posts from one person aimed at one other member. In the normal world this would be called harassment and bullying. I do hope whoever the moderators are, that they will stop this.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 5/27/2009
Chelsea Burke , thank you for your replay to this thread and wishing you all of the best.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 5/27/2009
Thank you brother John Bolloten for bringging this matter up, it is a great honer to view your work here brother and add comments on them because I like what you post, specially the street candid ones, they mean a lot to me.

Thank you again brother and wishing you all of the best.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 5/27/2009
Dear John, there are a lot of people into very bad sort of things on UF, they do this so they can have the chances not only to hurts other but also to give each others all sort of comments, ok, this is up to the person to give himself a comment what ever he like but the system should pay attention to the members when they bring things like that out.

I will show you a person who just have joined here, or an account which been fabricated to serve some purpose:

please my friend, just look at it, thats all:

this is the person:

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/399644.html

and this is where he been asigned:

http://www.usefilm.com/Comments.asp?M=1&S=17&ID=399644

thank you my friend, thank you Chelsea also for your attention.




Jeroen Wenting  Donor  (K=25177) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
As I can't read Arabic I can't determine what's being written there.
If a specific comment is offensive, please provide a translation.

If English were required here that wouldn't be a problem (as we'd just delete everything in any other language we came across and couldn't read) but other languages are allowed so we can't be that heavy handed.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
you are always so busy on the XXXX channel, as there was nothing written in Arabic but all in English, this shows how ignorent you are and how fool brother Al to keep some one like you Jeroen Wenting.




John Bolloten  Donor  (K=953) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Those comments are indeed in arabic Rashed so I cannot understand why you want to attack the above reply. I have always defended you here against a lot of unwarranted abuse, quite rightly, but when you are writing such harsh words against other people I cannot defend you in this case. I gave you some advice which was to just calm down and those people against you will soon get bored of their childish behaviour, but it seems like you want to cause an argument - calling people ignorant and fools is not the way to win your argument or the correct way to put your point of view across (especially as the reply above seems perfectly acceptable to me). This is my last post on the matter as I didn't want to get involved in any politics here so I'm going just go back to posting my images and welcoming any comments, good or bad.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Brother there was nothing in arabic, it was saying fak u and fake ur mother, things like that , thats not arabic, brother it was broken English but not arabic at all.

How others did read them here if they are arbic and they reacted on them, you did read many of them on images, what I mean Reems comments, this is was I was refering to, not any other comments, unless there were some where else.






John Bolloten  Donor  (K=953) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Rashed, Jeroen was obviously responding to your post above about a new member. You were complaining about this member's posts and they were indeed in arabic. There is obviously a misunderstanding but you are not doing yourself any favours by attacking other people on here. That's my last word on the matter.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009



John Bolloten  Donor  (K=953) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
You are not understanding, Jeroen was answering your post above:

Rashed Abdulla Donor (K=162930) - Comment Date 5/27/2009
Doha Qatar Qatar

Dear John, there are a lot of people into very bad sort of things on UF, they do this so they can have the chances not only to hurts other but also to give each others all sort of comments, ok, this is up to the person to give himself a comment what ever he like but the system should pay attention to the members when they bring things like that out.

I will show you a person who just have joined here, or an account which been fabricated to serve some purpose:

please my friend, just look at it, thats all:

this is the person:

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/399644.html

and this is where he been asigned:

http://www.usefilm.com/Comments.asp?M=1&S=17&ID=399644

thank you my friend, thank you Chelsea also for your attention.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
brother this man never had any comments on my images at all, he was given arabic comments to only 3 people on the site, I did not refer my post on this man but on Reem, Riny Nichols, Srna all have seen how bad reem comments on my images, they are beyound any who could except them, those comments went direct to me as person and to my mother also ?

How many time you has some one attackng your mother on one of your photographs, brother ?





Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
brother when you wrote this thread it was not about the person, but about reems comments on my images.




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Read reem comment here brother:

http://www.usefilm.com/image/1524510.html

I would you except being under the feet of reem or any one else, is this a comment to be added on an image on any site, is this related to photography?

read the date when that comment been posted brother and still it is there.

I can not except being under the feet of any one, brother.
This comment been there for




Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Thank you brother , it is always an honer to take your words, I there fore removed that image from the system.




Srna Stankovic  Donor  (K=141574) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Hello to everyone :)

Wanted to say Thank you so much for deleting Reem's rude, childish and disturbing comments on Riny's and photo of mine this evening.

We are all aware he is going to come back again and he has to be ignored by us (members) but you ve done excellent this evening !!!

Super moderators of UF !!! :-)))

Thank you kindly !!!

Cheers to ALL and my so very best wishes :-)))

Srna




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