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Kris Vogelsong
{K:438} 1/3/2005
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Cool subject and well composed. Would like to see stronger contrast in the smoke (including background) and less digital noise. Well done!
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Laura Spell
{K:24080} 1/3/2005
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Good industrial photo. Contrast, tones and details are all very good. The digital noise is a problem, have you tried Helicon Noise filter? It does a good job on shots like this.
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Tamara N
{K:2617} 1/3/2005
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Actually, when I converted this picture to black and white, I purposely chose a channel that would give me this grain effect.
There is, of course, some real noise because I was shooting from very far away with only a 7x zoom, and furthermore, this is a crop of the original. However, I was actually trying to make use of the grain to get a gritty, industrial effect.
(It's interesting that the last two times I've tried this grainy effect, people have suggested ways I could have "fixed" the grain. I wonder if my grainy effect isn't obvious as being intentional on my part? Or do you think that these pictures don't warrant a grainy effect and I'm trying to hard with them?)
Here it is with less grain (though there's still some noise from the distance and the cropping). Do you think this is better?
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Tamara N
{K:2617} 1/3/2005
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Here is an updated version, with less noise and slightly more contrast in the smoke.
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Less Noise |
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Giuliano Guarnieri
{K:35466} 1/3/2005
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Very nice cityscape!
really good!
Bye
GG
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Laura Spell
{K:24080} 1/3/2005
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I like this version better. I don't really like grain in photos!
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Matej Maceas
{K:24381} 1/3/2005
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One reason people might be suggesting that you 'fix' the grain because it's *not* grain - it's noise. Grain is a feature of film that you can control and utilize as appropriate for your artistic intentions, while digital noise is a bug that lowers image quality and the natural reaction of camera manufacturers and digital photographers is to suppress it as much as possible.
I think this particular photo would benefit from grain; it is more difficult to say whether it benefits from noise. Starting with a de-noised photo, such as the one you have attached, it is probably possible by clever use of Photoshop filters to achieve an effect that is closer in resemblance to real grain, resulting in a better overall impression.
As for the composition, I would be tempted to include slightly more of the dark structures at the bottom of the frame; they would offer a solid foundation from which the main chimney rises, and since they appear to be industrial-type structures, they would further reinforce the look and ambience you seem to have been trying to capture.
Notice also that by choosing a narrower crop, you could use the frame to emphasise the shape of your main subject, the chimney. An example of such a crop is in the attached version of your photo below. The second benefit of this crop is that it moves the subject more off-centre, resulting in a more dynamic composition.
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Tamara N
{K:2617} 1/6/2005
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Thanks Matej for your really helpful comment!
I have to say though, that I don't really understand the difference between noise and grain. From what you said and what I've read, it sounds like grain is noisiness due to film sensitivity and digital noise is kind of like film grain, only it's pixelated. If so, I'm not understanding what's so terrible about digital noise used for effect. Is it somehow just less visually appealing?
I *can* see the noise though, and this time I tried using a Gaussian blur to cover it up instead of removing it, since removing it entirely didn't seem possible. I think the result is a much cleaner picture. What do you think? I've also maintained the narrower crop that you suggested (I think you were right about this), but this time I've included a little more of the dark structures (they are structures the top of the plant) and some of the roof.
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Daniel Silva
{K:2512} 1/8/2005
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i can't tell you how many times I've driven past this and wanted to take a picture of it and I never have. i think the noise/grain is a good effect here. dan
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Dave Arnold
{K:55672} 1/30/2005
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Hahaha... looks like it has little baby chimneys. Sorry, had to chuckle.
Good industrial shot! I like the grittiness here. I guess others would say it is noise but I like it.
Best,
Dave
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